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Eric Rice: Hello, Andy Young! How are you?
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Andy Young: I'm doing well. I don't know if I'm on mute or not. Uh! How are you.
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Eric Rice: You're good. I can hear you.
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Andy Young: Yeah, looking forward to this, this is, this is pretty exciting.
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Eric Rice: It is.
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Eric Rice: Kind of a different kind of event.
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Eric Rice: Everybody, see my cats.
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Andy Young: You've got an honorary orange cat. We know those are the.
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Eric Rice: I'm gonna I'm gonna be struggling to keep him off the uh off my desk.
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Andy Young: Yeah, that's the that's the biggest attraction is when you're busy.
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Richard Heath: My mic, on.
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Eric Rice: Yes, rich. We can hear you loud and clear.
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Richard Heath: You must be Bill.
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Eric Rice: This looks like Rick initially. I don't think Bill's on yet. I don't see Bill, and I don't see.
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Eric Rice: Randy.
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Eric Rice: But we've got a few minutes.
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Richard Heath: We do?
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Richard Heath: I always like to sign in early, just to make sure that it's gonna work.
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Eric Rice: Yeah, technology has a way of sometimes.
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Eric Rice: Getting us um.
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Richard Heath: Yeah.
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Richard Heath: Uh! How how many did you have signed up for tonight?
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Eric Rice: Well, that's a very good question. We don't really know for sure how many are gonna be here.
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Eric Rice: Randy said he got.
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Eric Rice: Um uh 20.
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Eric Rice: Notifications of people. Um, and there's Randy, very good. Um. But uh! The email went out to everybody in men's Ministry at Bay Area.
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Eric Rice: As well as it's been. The email link has been forwarded to others.
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Eric Rice: So we could have.
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Eric Rice: 20, we could have.
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Eric Rice: 200, we might even have more. It's hard to say.
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Richard Heath: The.
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Eric Rice: Um.
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Eric Rice: So it'll be an interesting discussion.
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Richard Heath: Yeah.
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Eric Rice: And it looks like Bill. There, Bill, is that you online.
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Bill Hendricks: Yes, it is. Good evening.
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Eric Rice: Good evening, Bill. Welcome. Thank you very much for.
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Bill Hendricks: Wanted to make sure. I got on early enough.
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Eric Rice: Well, we appreciate your.
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Eric Rice: Uh your support, your participation, your engagement, and your advanced planning.
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Bill Hendricks: Thank you.
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Bill Hendricks: Thanks, Eric, glad to be a part.
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Eric Rice: So.
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Eric Rice: So I'll lead off when at. When we get to 7 o'clock I'll.
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Eric Rice: Provide some welcome a little bit about the men's Mentor Ministry.
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Eric Rice: And some ground rules. Randy will provide an introduction.
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Eric Rice: Uh from your bio, and and then I'll kick off with the 1st question, and I've got the.
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Eric Rice: Chat open. I'll be looking for people to raise their hand and or.
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Eric Rice: Uh enter any questions in the chat, and I'll uh.
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Eric Rice: Work to facilitate as best we can.
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Bill Hendricks: Right.
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Richard Heath: Bill, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a minute and um.
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Richard Heath: Just give you a.
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Richard Heath: A huge compliment.
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Richard Heath: So, 1970, I came back from Vietnam with a broken marriage.
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Bill Hendricks: Hmm.
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Richard Heath: And our pastor was a Dallas Grad.
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Richard Heath: Someone that your father had recommended to.
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Richard Heath: Help start this church in Central New York, outside of Syracuse, Eastern hills, Bible Church.
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Richard Heath: Beau, Matthews, and.
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Richard Heath: My wife got saved through Beau's ministry, and I came home to a new wife.
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Richard Heath: And at Beau's suggestion we started.
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Richard Heath: Wednesday night, cassette.
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Richard Heath: Studies of your father's.
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Richard Heath: Christian Home.
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Bill Hendricks: Wow!
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Richard Heath: Change changed our lives, changed the trajectory of our lives, and.
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Richard Heath: We will never, ever forget it, and forever thankful and.
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Richard Heath: We did. Hearing my, I finished my undergrad at Sam Houston State University. So, and.
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Richard Heath: I think it was 73, or 74. We were.
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Richard Heath: At a Family life conference that he did down in Houston.
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Bill Hendricks: Wow!
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Richard Heath: So we got a we got a weekend with him, but.
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Richard Heath: Yeah. Very uh.
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Richard Heath: Very powerful ministry.
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Richard Heath: Heard the stories of you when.
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Richard Heath: When you were young, so.
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Bill Hendricks: Yes, I'll bet you did.
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Richard Heath: Yeah.
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Bill Hendricks: Well, Richard, thank you for sharing that. That's very gratifying to hear.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, Dad, Dad, just left an incredible legacy. It's it's a wonderful thing to build on it.
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Andy Gish: Yeah.
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Andy Gish: I can't figure out how to.
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Bill Hendricks: But it's a it's. It's a joy to me to.
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Bill Hendricks: Hear a testimony of you know how his ministry impacted you, and.
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Bill Hendricks: Your wife and your family so.
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Richard Heath: Yeah, yeah.
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Bill Hendricks: Praise God! That's fantastic!
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Richard Heath: And your book is pretty good, too.
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Bill Hendricks: Thank you.
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Richard Heath: Yeah.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Sorry about that.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Let me uh.
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Eric Rice: Randy, are you gonna wait for the recording, or do you wanna just keep it going.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Um. It keeps asking me a bunch of uh things here, and I keep hitting approve instead of.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: So I'll wait on my pop up so.
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Eric Rice: Okay, well, it's 7 o'clock. Um, and we want to be respectful of everyone's time. So.
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Eric Rice: Um, I think we're gonna.
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Eric Rice: Get started and um.
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Eric Rice: As people join um.
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Eric Rice: Uh! We'll just go from there. Welcome uh everyone. Thank you very much for joining us. Uh, my name is Eric Rice.
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Eric Rice: Part of the Bay Area Community church men's ministry in Annapolis, Maryland.
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Eric Rice: We may have.
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Eric Rice: Uh 20. In this call we may have 200. It's hard to say. The.
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Eric Rice: The link has been shared with several people, and so.
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Eric Rice: Um uh! There's probably a wide range of individuals. Um uh! Who will be.
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Eric Rice: Uh participating. But I just wanted to ask everyone to be respectful and be on mute, especially if you've got a noisy background.
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Eric Rice: And also, if you want to keep your video on, feel free to keep your video on, it may influence bandwidth.
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Eric Rice: And so it might be prudent to turn it off unless you're asking a question.
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Eric Rice: Um. I'll go over a couple of ground rules. Um.
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Eric Rice: For the event, and then.
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Eric Rice: Uh uh! Turn it over to Randy for a bio introduction, and then um! We'll kick it off for questions.
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Eric Rice: And then I've got a brief description of the.
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Eric Rice: Bay Area community church men's ministry event that.
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Eric Rice: Um. We'll kind of quickly go through.
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Eric Rice: Actually let me just go ahead and.
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Eric Rice: Um read through that a little bit. The men's mentoring ministry at Bay Area exists to connect, disciple, and reproduce mature followers of Jesus.
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Eric Rice: This ministry is designed to facilitate life on life pairs.
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Eric Rice: To ask questions, listen, encourage, and show genuine love and help a man's discipleship journey, become.
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Eric Rice: More like Christ. These men to men relationships facilitate deeper connection.
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Eric Rice: Transparency and growth in our lives through a flexible.
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Eric Rice: Plan that is tailored for the unique circumstances and goals of the mentee and mentor.
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Eric Rice: We currently have approximately 20 pairs of men involved, and the mentors have been reading through Bill's book.
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Eric Rice: Men of influence, the transformational impact of godly mentors, and particularly chapter 14.
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Eric Rice: To help us grow as mentors. If you're interested in learning more, feel free to send me an email.
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Eric Rice: Or go to the church website@bayarreac.org, find the Men's Ministry Page, and specifically the mentoring site.
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Eric Rice: For more information.
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Eric Rice: Place, a yeah, a place to sign up and.
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Eric Rice: Find your email address or find my email address, um.
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Eric Rice: So this is a informal event. Q. And a. With Bill Hendricks. Um.
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Eric Rice: And we're going to be recording the event for the benefit of others.
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Eric Rice: Um. We've got some prepared questions, but anyone is welcome to.
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Eric Rice: Put a question in the chat, and we can.
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Eric Rice: Ask it that way, or if you wish, you can raise your hand, come off mute, and certainly come off video or show video.
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Eric Rice: Um, so that we can have a little bit of Q&A.
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Eric Rice: Uh face to face, and all worked uh Monterey and mon.
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Eric Rice: Monitor the questions in the chat and moderate.
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Eric Rice: Uh the conversation, asked Bill some questions, and uh.
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Eric Rice: We'll just work through as much as we can in the time that we have.
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Eric Rice: Uh. So at this point I'd like to thank Randy Stiles.
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Eric Rice: Who's going to be starting the recording if he hasn't already.
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Eric Rice: Um, and he's gonna provide a little bit of introduction uh to Bill.
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Eric Rice: And thank Randy for.
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Eric Rice: Um uh! Who's 1 of the mentors for coordinating the event and coordinating with Bill.
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Eric Rice: And doing the liaison.
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Eric Rice: Through his connection with Dallas Theological Seminary and Bill, and so I'll turn it over to.
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Eric Rice: Randy to provide an introduction.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Sure. Thanks. Um.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: So for those that don't know Dts or Dallas, as we call it. Um. Pastor Greg is an alumni.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: We heard Rich's testimony of.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Of Judy, and earlier, if you were here.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Um. So you know Dallas is a big part of uh.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Our Church Bill is the executive director of Christian leadership at the Hendricks Center.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Which is part of Dts.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: He's also president of the gifted Center.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: As a graduate from Harvard, Boston University, and Dts.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Um. Bill has a passion to integrate, secular and sacred.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: A lot of times we struggle with that, and coaching our mentees on that.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Um, you know, plus bill mentors and coaches people to find.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: And define their their giftedness in a very unique approach. I went through that personally about a month ago.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Um. Bill has authored 26 books. Hopefully, I got that number right.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Um. He sits on the steering community of the theology, theology of work.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Project. Uh, he's married to Lynn and has 3 daughters.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: So, Bill, let me ask the 1st question before we dive into mentoring.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Um to settle somewhat theological or less or.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: At least culinary. Um.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: One of the things that was I saw was, you have award winning Lone Star Chili.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: So, beans or no beans.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: And why is such a minor issue brought to the majors in Texas?
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Bill Hendricks: So years ago, when uh chile was really being crafted and coming into its own.
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Bill Hendricks: There was a.
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Bill Hendricks: There was a guy from New York, a columnist in a newspaper.
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Bill Hendricks: And I guess he had challenged.
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Bill Hendricks: The fact that Texans don't put beans in their chili.
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Bill Hendricks: And this was just.
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Bill Hendricks: Absurd to him because he, he and the people he knew.
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Bill Hendricks: Of course you put beans in Chili, and so he.
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Bill Hendricks: He was sort of ridiculing.
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Bill Hendricks: People from Texas. And this is back like in the 19 tens or something. So.
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Bill Hendricks: You know. Think of the cultural.
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Bill Hendricks: Divide there.
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Bill Hendricks: And there was there was a fellow from Texas who, upon hearing this.
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Bill Hendricks: He? He, too, was in a newspaper, and he wrote a column.
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Bill Hendricks: In which he said.
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Bill Hendricks: People who put beans in their chili don't know beans about Chili.
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Bill Hendricks: And that kind of became a slogan that we we honor in Texas.
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Bill Hendricks: That if you put beans in Chili technically, it's not Chili.
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Bill Hendricks: Um. We just want the red meat or the meat, and then the red sauce and.
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Bill Hendricks: And so forth, and and keep our.
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Bill Hendricks: Keep our Chili pure, as it were, now.
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Bill Hendricks: Having said that.
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Bill Hendricks: I was asked to judge at a Chili contest at Dts.
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Bill Hendricks: Several years ago.
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Bill Hendricks: Um, and I declined, because the year before I had entered.
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Bill Hendricks: My Chili end of this contest.
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Bill Hendricks: And these are students from all over the world, not only from the United States, but.
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Bill Hendricks: Other countries around the world.
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Bill Hendricks: And that night I.
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Bill Hendricks: Was served things that people called Chili.
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Bill Hendricks: That totally just shocked me. Like.
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Bill Hendricks: What this is chilly.
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Bill Hendricks: You gotta be kidding me. I mean, they had everything but the kitchen sink and some of these stews that they.
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Bill Hendricks: Served up. And so the next year, when I was asked to judge the the contest.
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Bill Hendricks: Um. I declined because I said, You know.
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Bill Hendricks: It would be unfair to me who's kind of a.
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Bill Hendricks: A chilly snob from Texas to.
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Bill Hendricks: Eliminate 98% of the chilies that are served because they have.
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Bill Hendricks: Beans and other things that would not qualify their.
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Bill Hendricks: Dish is chili. So.
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Bill Hendricks: Um. I don't think they quite understood what I was talking about, but at least I left with my.
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Bill Hendricks: Integrity. So, at any rate, if you want to experience Chili.
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Bill Hendricks: Please get a hold of me, and I'll be glad to cook up a a bowl of it for you.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: So you're in the being heresy right?
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Bill Hendricks: That's right.
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Eric Rice: Well, Bill, thank you. Um, and welcome. Thank you again for.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Alright!
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Eric Rice: Accepting our invitation to spend some time with us.
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Eric Rice: Um. I thought it would be good to kick off our time together. If you just spend a little time describing.
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Eric Rice: What you do at the giftedness center, and what you enjoy most about your work.
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Bill Hendricks: Yeah, thanks, Eric. I uh, for the last 25 going on 30 years.
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Bill Hendricks: Long before I came to Dts. To to be the executive director for Christian leadership. There at the Hendricks Center.
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Bill Hendricks: I've had a consulting practice called the Giftedness Center.
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Bill Hendricks: In which I help people discover what we call their giftedness.
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Bill Hendricks: Now, when I call, when I use the term giftedness.
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Bill Hendricks: People think a lot of different things about that. They think in terms of gifted and talented.
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Bill Hendricks: But I'm not talking about that. They think of the gifted athlete, the gifted.
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Bill Hendricks: Musician, and certainly those people have gifts.
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Bill Hendricks: But giftedness is actually universal.
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Bill Hendricks: And the best definition that I can give you.
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Bill Hendricks: For giftedness, or at least the simplest definition.
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Bill Hendricks: Is that giftedness is what a person is born to do.
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Bill Hendricks: Every human being is designed by God in His image.
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Bill Hendricks: And through that has been given something.
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Bill Hendricks: That is unique to them, that they contribute to the world.
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Bill Hendricks: And we call that their giftedness.
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Bill Hendricks: And so for some people, it's to solve a problem. They never met a problem they didn't want to solve.
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Bill Hendricks: And somebody else. It's about meeting a big old challenge.
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Bill Hendricks: Life is one giant challenge to them.
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Bill Hendricks: And somebody else. It's about influencing people and getting them to respond to them.
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Bill Hendricks: And somebody else that's about understanding something to a very deep level.
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Bill Hendricks: I could go on and on all night about the different forms of.
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Bill Hendricks: Giftedness that we see, but every person.
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Bill Hendricks: Has something that God has given them.
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Bill Hendricks: By which to make a contribution to the world.
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Bill Hendricks: And what we do at the giftedness center is to bring that.
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Bill Hendricks: Contribution to light.
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Bill Hendricks: Through a very interesting process.
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Bill Hendricks: It's not a test, or an inventory or questionnaire.
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Bill Hendricks: But actually a storytelling process.
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Bill Hendricks: And it's very powerful at identifying the unique.
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Bill Hendricks: Way that this person contributes.
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Bill Hendricks: And out of that most of my clients are asking the question, What should I do with my life?
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Bill Hendricks: In terms of career.
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Bill Hendricks: And in terms of calling like, what's my purpose in life?
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Bill Hendricks: And how does that manifest itself? Perhaps.
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Bill Hendricks: In a vocational setting.
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Bill Hendricks: So that's that's basically what I do at the giftedness center.
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Bill Hendricks: And it, and you asked me what I enjoy the most about it.
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Bill Hendricks: Oh, my gosh! It is! It is so fulfilling for me.
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Bill Hendricks: Because I 1st of all.
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Bill Hendricks: Feel like I have a front row seat.
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Bill Hendricks: On God's fingerprints in a person's life, and how he's stitched them together as Psalm 1, 39, says.
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Bill Hendricks: In their mother's womb.
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Bill Hendricks: And then to see them come alive to that and celebrate that.
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Bill Hendricks: But then I've got literally hundreds, if not thousands, of stories of people.
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Bill Hendricks: That have gone out and and trusted.
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Bill Hendricks: You know that insight into their giftedness.
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Bill Hendricks: And now are contributing in the world in ways that are just amazing, and fan.
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Bill Hendricks: Fantastic, and it's a real joy to me to know that I've had some tiny little part.
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Bill Hendricks: In them feeling like they have a purpose and a contribution to make to the world.
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Eric Rice: So it sounds like um.
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Eric Rice: Uh part of you uh. Much of the work that you do is uh.
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Eric Rice: Teasing out the story. A man's story.
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Eric Rice: And so kind of a follow on question there in your experience. Um.
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Bill Hendricks: Yes.
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Eric Rice: How have you seen common threads, and how a man can learn through.
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Eric Rice: And grow through his awareness of his own story, and through hearing the stories of other men.
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Bill Hendricks: Yeah, yeah. I'm a believer that the best way that we understand people.
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Bill Hendricks: Is not actually through psychometrics. I'm I'm sure you've all seen these tests.
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Bill Hendricks: You know Myers-briggs, Enneagram.
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Bill Hendricks: Disk a strength finder.
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Bill Hendricks: On and on and on, you know, and I I guess those have their place.
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Bill Hendricks: But I believe that the best way to understand a human being.
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Bill Hendricks: Is through story.
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Bill Hendricks: And their story, and these are not made up stories, but the actual lived experience of a person.
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Bill Hendricks: And when we come to mentoring, which I know is kind of the theme that you guys are formed around.
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Bill Hendricks: To get into a person's story, unlocks so much insight into their life.
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Bill Hendricks: The Italians have a saying.
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Bill Hendricks: I cannot know you until I have dined with you.
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Bill Hendricks: And I like to sort of my paraphrase of that is well, I cannot know you.
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Bill Hendricks: Until I've heard your story.
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Bill Hendricks: See what what psychometrics do is they? They give you an inventory of tests.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, questionnaire, whatever. And you answer a bunch of questions, and we sort of get a.
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Bill Hendricks: A snapshot of you at a point in time.
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Bill Hendricks: The thing that that misses actually, though, is that humans are are actors. If you will.
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Bill Hendricks: They, they operate over and through time.
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Bill Hendricks: Engaging with the world, and unless we see them over time.
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Bill Hendricks: In whole scenes of their life.
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Bill Hendricks: Living out who they are.
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Bill Hendricks: We really can't know them fully.
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Bill Hendricks: And so what storytelling does and and what we do at the giftedness center is particular kinds of stories.
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Bill Hendricks: That we call giftedness stories, which means.
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Bill Hendricks: We go back into the person's life.
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Bill Hendricks: When they were actually using their giftedness.
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Bill Hendricks: Well, how do we know what those moments were? Well.
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Bill Hendricks: The telltale sign that your giftedness is engaged.
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Bill Hendricks: In an activity is that you take joy or satisfaction from the activity.
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Bill Hendricks: You would say I like that activity. I I enjoyed it.
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Bill Hendricks: I gained energy from doing it.
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Bill Hendricks: And these can be very, very simple and almost seemingly mundane activities.
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Bill Hendricks: You know I had a guy once tell me when he was 7 years old.
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Bill Hendricks: He he latched, he, he and his brother went fishing.
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Bill Hendricks: Behind their house, and they latched onto this enormous.
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Bill Hendricks: Catfish, and he described wrestling. This catfish.
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Bill Hendricks: Out of the creek, and then taking it down the street to show to their buddies.
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Bill Hendricks: And that was the story.
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Bill Hendricks: And you know, most people hear that. And they're like.
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Bill Hendricks: And you gain meaning from that.
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Bill Hendricks: Well, actually, yes.
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Bill Hendricks: Because, 1st of all, that man took 20 min to tell that story. That's how much detail he could. He could remember.
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Bill Hendricks: And it was as fresh and alive as it as if it happened the day before.
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Bill Hendricks: And and you realize, wow, this is something that really meant something to this gentleman.
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Bill Hendricks: And then he told about 8 or 10 other stories.
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Bill Hendricks: And you, just when you look across those stories, you see all these dots.
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Bill Hendricks: That connect among the stories.
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Bill Hendricks: And they show a pattern of behavior.
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Bill Hendricks: That this gentleman kept coming back to again and again and again.
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Bill Hendricks: And that pattern describes his particular.
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Bill Hendricks: Giftedness which actually had a lot of.
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Bill Hendricks: What I call wrestling monsters out of the deep.
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Bill Hendricks: Was kind of a theme in his life.
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Bill Hendricks: You know he'd been through many, many arduous, challenging.
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Bill Hendricks: Uh, adversarial sort of times.
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Bill Hendricks: When he really had to wrestle with life.
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Bill Hendricks: And the circumstances of life.
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Bill Hendricks: In order to come across with something that was valuable.
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Bill Hendricks: Um, and that was a theme for him, and that was what he had really enjoyed doing.
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Bill Hendricks: And so what we do at the giftedness center is is, get those kinds of stories.
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Bill Hendricks: And uh, if you're interested, I actually.
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Bill Hendricks: Have some resources that you could actually do that process.
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Bill Hendricks: With people that you're working with or with yourself.
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Bill Hendricks: With a partner, and actually could discover things about your own giftedness or about somebody else's giftedness.
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Eric Rice: Yeah, those resources would be great. Uh, that would be quite helpful.
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Bill Hendricks: I'll get those to you.
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Eric Rice: Appreciate it. Thank you. And we can make those available uh to to others that uh.
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Eric Rice: At the church, and in this call.
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Eric Rice: What do you believe are some of the key elements.
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Eric Rice: That make for a fruitful mentoring ministry at a local church.
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Bill Hendricks: Well, I must say.
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Bill Hendricks: Um.
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Bill Hendricks: Yeah, that's a, that's a.
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Bill Hendricks: You kind of flip a switch when you, when you ask me that question, Eric. Um.
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Bill Hendricks: 1st of all, I'm sad to say that most churches have nothing.
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Bill Hendricks: To offer, and when it comes to mentoring um, maybe rephrase that it's not like they don't have anything to offer.
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Bill Hendricks: They're doing nothing intentional.
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Bill Hendricks: To offer mentoring.
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Bill Hendricks: As a part of how they do church.
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Bill Hendricks: And and that's a majority of churches. So what you're doing is actually quite.
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Bill Hendricks: Unique if and and reasonably rare.
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Bill Hendricks: Like. I'll bet there's not even even 5% of other churches in the country in the world.
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Bill Hendricks: That are doing quite what you're doing here.
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Bill Hendricks: So I applaud you for doing that and being trying to be intentional.
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Bill Hendricks: About that um. When I think about what churches are doing.
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Bill Hendricks: Um. The churches that I am aware of that are that are trying different things.
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Bill Hendricks: You know it. It it kind of has a spectrum of effectiveness to to not very effective.
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Bill Hendricks: I think the one observation I would make is that.
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Bill Hendricks: Churches that try to what I'd say overly program mentoring.
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Bill Hendricks: Often find themselves very frustrated. And it's not quite working.
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Bill Hendricks: And the reason is that I think that mentoring is not really intended to be a program.
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Bill Hendricks: As much as a.
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Bill Hendricks: Value of how we do church.
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Bill Hendricks: And this goes right back into the New Testament. For instance, in Titus, chapter 2.
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Bill Hendricks: Where Paul speaks to what the older men need to be doing, and the older women need to be doing.
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Bill Hendricks: And a lot of what they need to be doing is with the younger men and the younger women.
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Bill Hendricks: And it's not a program in those churches. It's a way that we do. Church.
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Bill Hendricks: It's. It's. It's the formation of relationships across generations.
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Bill Hendricks: That have an influence.
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Bill Hendricks: On the rising generations.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, in proverbs it talks about iron, sharpening iron.
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Bill Hendricks: And the idea. There.
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Bill Hendricks: Is that iron is the only metal that's.
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Bill Hendricks: Hard enough.
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Bill Hendricks: To beat on iron and actually shape it.
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Bill Hendricks: And and the the proverb that's given there it. It basically puts 2 thoughts side by side.
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Bill Hendricks: Iron sharpens, iron.
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Bill Hendricks: One man sharpens another.
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Bill Hendricks: And it's like you do the math.
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Bill Hendricks: And I think what the math is, is. It says, you know, iron.
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Bill Hendricks: Has the properties to sharpen other iron by beating on it.
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Bill Hendricks: Because because that's how you sharpen iron, you beat it.
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Bill Hendricks: Into a very sharp sort of edge.
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Bill Hendricks: But you gotta have a sharp. You gotta have a powerful enough metal.
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Bill Hendricks: To hit that iron, so it bends it to to that sharp shape.
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Bill Hendricks: Well, iron is sharp enough to do that.
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Bill Hendricks: Well in a similar way.
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Bill Hendricks: Humans have an ability. Men have an ability.
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Bill Hendricks: To interact with other men that actually shapes those men.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, we said we rub off on other men.
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Bill Hendricks: And so this life on life relationship is key.
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Bill Hendricks: Can you program that.
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Bill Hendricks: I mean, I think you can do some things to promote it.
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Bill Hendricks: But if you mandate okay, you work with this guy, you work with that guy.
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Bill Hendricks: You run into all kinds of problems of chemistry and.
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Bill Hendricks: And all that kind of kind of stuff.
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Bill Hendricks: Having said that I can mention 2 or 3.
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Bill Hendricks: Examples of churches that are doing this type of thing.
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Bill Hendricks: Ah! One is a church in Atlanta called Perimeter Church, which is actually a.
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Bill Hendricks: Kind of a consortium of about 12 churches.
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Bill Hendricks: And the guy who founded that church is a guy named Randy.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Cool.
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Bill Hendricks: Hope, and I was at a meeting one time where Randy talked about his process.
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Bill Hendricks: And somebody said, Well, how have you multiplied all these churches?
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Bill Hendricks: And he said, Well, it's it's actually not that complicated. What I do is, I.
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Bill Hendricks: I pick out 7 men.
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Bill Hendricks: And I recruit them very carefully.
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Bill Hendricks: But I want them to commit.
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Bill Hendricks: To re-up a year at a time over 3 years.
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Bill Hendricks: And then those 3 years.
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Bill Hendricks: We meet once a week every week for 50 weeks.
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Bill Hendricks: In the morning for for about a an hour and a half, 2 h.
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Bill Hendricks: In the 1st year we go through, you know, basic Biblical doctrines.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, salvation, justification, sanctification.
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Bill Hendricks: Growth in Christ, abiding in Christ, etcetera.
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Bill Hendricks: And then the second year.
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Bill Hendricks: Uh, we we talk about.
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Bill Hendricks: Um discipleship and growing in Christ, and.
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Bill Hendricks: And following Christ, and habits that we form.
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Bill Hendricks: And then in the 3rd year we talk about.
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Bill Hendricks: What is a church really about.
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Bill Hendricks: And if you were, gonna be in leadership in a church, what would be your role.
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Bill Hendricks: And how would you help that church really.
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Bill Hendricks: Grow and develop.
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Bill Hendricks: And as I do that I want all of the men in that group, there's about 8 of them.
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Bill Hendricks: I want them to be doing a similar thing.
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Bill Hendricks: With men that they know. So they got to form another group that they're discipling.
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Bill Hendricks: And at the end of those 3 years I take those men.
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Bill Hendricks: And their families, and we hive them off, and they go start a church.
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Bill Hendricks: And then I start another group.
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Bill Hendricks: And I do the next group for 3 years.
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Bill Hendricks: And over, you know, several decades they've planted.
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Bill Hendricks: Last I heard was about 12 churches. It's probably more by now.
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Bill Hendricks: And so that's a formalized form.
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Bill Hendricks: Of discipleship.
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Bill Hendricks: A very similar kind of thing takes place.
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Bill Hendricks: At a church here in or down in Texas, called.
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Bill Hendricks: Denton Bible Church, where Tommy.
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Bill Hendricks: Of of.
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Bill Hendricks: Nelson is the pastor.
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Bill Hendricks: And for years they've had a very formalized discipleship.
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Bill Hendricks: Program where they recruit particularly young people.
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Bill Hendricks: And those young people go through a series of.
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Bill Hendricks: Of curricula over 2 or 3 years.
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Bill Hendricks: With trained mentors.
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Bill Hendricks: Disciplers to help them grow.
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Bill Hendricks: In their understanding and practice of.
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Bill Hendricks: Of the Faith.
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Bill Hendricks: Um. And then one other model that I've seen is uh.
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Bill Hendricks: In in the Nashville area. Michael Easley, who is a Dts grad.
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Bill Hendricks: And was the pastor.
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Bill Hendricks: Uh at Fellowship Bible Church. There.
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Bill Hendricks: In uh uh.
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Bill Hendricks: One of the suburbs there of Nashville.
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Bill Hendricks: He was the former president of Moody Bible Institute.
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Bill Hendricks: But for years he was discipling men, and in sort of that traditional.
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Bill Hendricks: You know. Get with a band, one on one. Have breakfast lunch, whatever.
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.000
Bill Hendricks: And we work our way through some things.
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:19.000
Bill Hendricks: And his wife was doing the same. Cindy.
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Bill Hendricks: And then one day they were talking, and suddenly they sort of came to the realization.
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Bill Hendricks: You know I'm working with the men you're working with. The women.
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Bill Hendricks: What if we did? What if we.
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Bill Hendricks: Join forces and work with these people as couples.
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Bill Hendricks: And so they joined men with their wives.
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Bill Hendricks: And he told me.
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Bill Hendricks: It so transformed the impact of their work with these.
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Bill Hendricks: Couples and the growth of these people.
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Bill Hendricks: He said, I'll never do discipleship the same way again.
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.000
Bill Hendricks: He said, when you, when you deal with a man.
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Bill Hendricks: You don't realize it, but you're dealing with.
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Bill Hendricks: The whole couple. You just only have the man to work with.
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:02.000
Bill Hendricks: That's a problem, or when you're dealing with the wife.
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:07.000
Bill Hendricks: You're dealing with a whole relationship marriage relationship. You just don't have the wife. There.
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Bill Hendricks: So they started to put that together, and they saw.
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:13.000
Bill Hendricks: Tremendous results. So I mean, those are 3 models of what I've seen.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: No, it's interesting. You bring up Perimeter, because Alan, who's the pastor of this ministry, came from perimeter.
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Bill Hendricks: There you go!
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: And so so, yeah, I'm.
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Bill Hendricks: There's a legacy there.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Right, Andy, you had a question.
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Andy Young: Yes, sir, thank you. Uh, and I appreciate you being here. Uh, Mr. Hendricks. So.
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Andy Young: Richard mentioned. Uh before we really got started. Um, in his testimony of story.
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:45.000
Andy Young: Coming back from Vietnam and a broken marriage, and and how he was able to interact with your father's material, and that was super transformative.
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:53.000
Andy Young: Um, and I was thinking of that brokenness. Many of our mentees are are struggling through deep trauma, brokenness, sin.
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:55.000
Andy Young: Pain, divorce. Um.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Ptsd from military. Yeah.
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Andy Young: No.
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Andy Young: Yeah, yeah, right? Um. And so, so my question is, how does this.
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Andy Young: Um story. Oriented approach.
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.000
Andy Young: Facilitate.
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Andy Young: Healing and breakthrough.
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Andy Young: Um, when when oftentimes as mentors. That's the kind of trauma that we're facing.
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Bill Hendricks: Right? Great question, Andy.
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Bill Hendricks: I I'd like to point out that.
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Bill Hendricks: There are kind of 2 kinds of truth about.
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.000
Bill Hendricks: Human beings.
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Bill Hendricks: The one is the truth that most most people that I've experienced and and encounter.
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.000
Bill Hendricks: Are very much in touch with.
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.000
Bill Hendricks: Which is what I call the bad truth about who they are.
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.000
Bill Hendricks: I mean most people I have found.
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.000
Bill Hendricks: Actually sort of see themselves like like.
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:56.000
Bill Hendricks: To the level that they they think it's their identity.
00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:00.000
Bill Hendricks: That that there's stuff that's wrong with me. They see their sins.
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.000
Bill Hendricks: Their addictions, their brokenness.
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.000
Bill Hendricks: You know they're paying.
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.000
Bill Hendricks: Their train wrecks, their failures.
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.000
Bill Hendricks: You know the things they're ashamed of their sins.
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:18.000
Bill Hendricks: I mean, that's what they dwell on when at an internal level, when they think about themselves.
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Bill Hendricks: That's what I call the bad truth about who they are and it and it is. It's true.
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:27.000
Bill Hendricks: But it's bad truth, and that's why we need a Savior.
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:31.000
Bill Hendricks: I mean, we are broken people. We are messed up as human beings.
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:35.000
Bill Hendricks: You know we need a Savior, and, thank God, we have one.
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:39.000
Bill Hendricks: What most people have never considered.
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.000
Bill Hendricks: Is that there's actually what I call a good truth about who they are.
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Bill Hendricks: That from eternity God.
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.000
Bill Hendricks: 1st of all, dream them up.
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:55.000
Bill Hendricks: And then Psalm 139, says, as it were, with his own hands.
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Bill Hendricks: He shaped them into existence.
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Bill Hendricks: He designed them in His image.
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Bill Hendricks: And he fashioned into them.
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:09.000
Bill Hendricks: A unique way in which they image him, they mirror him, as it were. There.
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.000
Bill Hendricks: They're a little picture of God in human form.
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:15.000
Bill Hendricks: I'm not saying they're God, I'm saying they're.
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.000
Bill Hendricks: They're kind of a reflection of some dimension of God.
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Bill Hendricks: That he does it an infinite way. They do it a finite human way.
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Bill Hendricks: And they've never seen that.
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.000
Bill Hendricks: But that's the good truth about who they are.
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Bill Hendricks: And it also is a means by which they actually have something to contribute to the world.
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.000
Bill Hendricks: Which is the source of their purpose.
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Bill Hendricks: And so when you help somebody.
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Bill Hendricks: See that good truth about who they are.
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Bill Hendricks: Because they've lived that their whole life they cannot not be who they are.
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.000
Bill Hendricks: As broken and messed up as they may be.
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:56.000
Bill Hendricks: They? They have the experience of being who God made them to be.
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:59.000
Bill Hendricks: And you bring that to light for them so they can see it.
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.000
Bill Hendricks: Was like holding up a mirror.
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.000
Bill Hendricks: And you celebrate it.
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.000
Bill Hendricks: You say, brother.
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Bill Hendricks: This is what God made you to be.
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Bill Hendricks: This is beautiful. This is this is something that could contribute.
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:17.000
Bill Hendricks: To what God's doing in the world. Through you you could be a channel of His grace into the world.
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:23.000
Bill Hendricks: I mean, talk about good news that's that's like, that's almost like a second salvation for many people.
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.000
Bill Hendricks: It's like you may not have worth absolutely.
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Bill Hendricks: And when God sees you he delights in you because that's who he sees.
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Bill Hendricks: Well, that's very transformational, because it gives them hope.
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:41.000
Bill Hendricks: And it also gives them in many cases, direction. It's like.
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.000
Bill Hendricks: Oh, my gosh! I do have a purpose.
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:50.000
Bill Hendricks: Like like. Now I can see what I should devote myself to in a positive way.
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:54.000
Bill Hendricks: I mean. Listen. I believe people who are have addictions and.
00:38:54.000 --> 00:39:00.000
Bill Hendricks: Trauma and and all the things that humans are broken over. We absolutely need to have therapy.
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:05.000
Bill Hendricks: Therapy gets people back to being what we call normal.
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.000
Bill Hendricks: Like, you're functional like we can live with you.
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:13.000
Bill Hendricks: But the question is still left there. Okay, now that I'm now.
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.000
Bill Hendricks: Kind of back to. I'm fixed. If you want to put it that way.
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.000
Bill Hendricks: Now, what do I do?
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Bill Hendricks: Well, that's the issue of purpose and calling.
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:27.000
Bill Hendricks: And that's where the giftedness piece comes in. So if you help people connect with that.
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:33.000
Bill Hendricks: You. You've given them a vision for what their life could now be.
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Bill Hendricks: And that's pretty powerful. I mean, I.
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Bill Hendricks: In my own life, I would just say it was transformational.
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.000
Bill Hendricks: Nothing, has had a more.
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Bill Hendricks: Profound impact on my life.
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:48.000
Bill Hendricks: Apart from my salvation in Christ, which happened at age 4 and a half.
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.000
Bill Hendricks: Than the discovery of my own.
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Bill Hendricks: Giftedness which happened at age 30.
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Bill Hendricks: And I mean it was a fork in the road in my life.
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Eric Rice: And do you think that there's any particular things to remember with regard to timing.
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Eric Rice: About how soon, or.
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Eric Rice: How late you might need to start discussing that or addressing the purpose. Kinds of questions.
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Eric Rice: Which might be considered, you know.
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Eric Rice: Above the working through the.
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Eric Rice: Can you start talking about that while they're still trying to get to a normal state?
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Eric Rice: Or is that too premature.
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Bill Hendricks: Yeah.
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:27.000
Bill Hendricks: Well, I mean, let's put it this way.
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Bill Hendricks: If if somebody's trying to get clean.
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Bill Hendricks: You know where they're not shooting up, you know, heroin every night, or or, or, you know, smoking dope every night.
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:40.000
Bill Hendricks: Or or whatever their particular addiction is.
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Bill Hendricks: And and they need to kind of get that. They need to get some some real recovery going.
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:50.000
Bill Hendricks: Or they're depressed, and they need to get on top of that depression.
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.000
Bill Hendricks: Or anxiety whatever that is.
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.000
Bill Hendricks: Yeah, I mean, let's work on that. Okay.
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:59.000
Bill Hendricks: But I'd still hold out some hope to them to say, Listen, brother.
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.000
Bill Hendricks: When when you kind of get.
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.000
Bill Hendricks: Clean if you will, when you kind of get on top of this issue.
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.000
Bill Hendricks: I got something that's really gonna be.
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.000
Bill Hendricks: A game changer for you.
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.000
Bill Hendricks: Because it's on the positive side of the ledger.
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:18.000
Bill Hendricks: And something that's gonna give you a future and a hope.
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:24.000
Bill Hendricks: So that now that even even not knowing what that is, they still have some.
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:28.000
Bill Hendricks: Something to grasp and go. Okay, this is worth trying to get to.
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:33.000
Bill Hendricks: So that I can get to that. I mean, even at the giftedness center, like if somebody comes to me and they say.
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.000
Bill Hendricks: Look. I need to see you, but I.
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:40.000
Bill Hendricks: I'm I'm I'm working through depression. I I'm you know, clinically depressed. I'm like.
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:44.000
Bill Hendricks: Well, listen, that's fine. Once you go ahead and work with your.
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.000
Bill Hendricks: A medical professional.
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Bill Hendricks: And you know, let's get that worked out, and where you kind of feel good on a day to day basis.
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:56.000
Bill Hendricks: Because I think then the process will really have the most benefit for you.
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Bill Hendricks: So, yeah, sometimes.
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:02.000
Bill Hendricks: Sometimes you need to put the fire out before you rebuild the whole structure.
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Eric Rice: Okay, thank you. I've got some more questions. But I was gonna pause for a second and see if there's.
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:16.000
Eric Rice: Anybody else out there. There aren't any new questions in the chat, but if someone wants to come off mute.
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.000
Eric Rice: And has a question they can throw it in there.
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Eric Rice: I'll pause for a couple seconds.
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Eric Rice: Before I throw in my next question.
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Eric Rice: Okay. Uh. My next question is, you know, really kind of.
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.000
Eric Rice: Boils down to um.
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:45.000
Eric Rice: The comparison trap that men sometimes find themselves.
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Eric Rice: Uh consumed with, and whether men.
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.000
Eric Rice: Uh deal with that more than women do, I don't know but um.
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Eric Rice: Do you have any thoughts with regard to.
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:02.000
Eric Rice: How men who get stuck in that.
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Eric Rice: You know anything that you would offer to help break free from.
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:11.000
Eric Rice: Getting stuck in that, you know, comparing with.
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:16.000
Eric Rice: Either friends or colleagues at work, or you know whether the relationships be professional.
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:22.000
Eric Rice: Or personal. It's easy to get sucked into just comparing myself.
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Eric Rice: And kind of part 2 of that question is kind of a personal story. If you don't mind.
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Eric Rice: You know. To what degree do you deal with, you know, comparing yourself with your dad? You know the legacy that you spoke of earlier, and we talked about.
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Eric Rice: Um. I can imagine that that would be.
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Eric Rice: A challenge. Did you have a phase going through that? And uh, where are you at with all of that.
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Bill Hendricks: That's great question. Let me let me sort of speak to the second part of that first.st
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:58.000
Bill Hendricks: Um, yeah, I mean, I I think up through my thirties frankly and into my forties.
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.000
Bill Hendricks: That that kind of was an issue for me.
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:05.000
Bill Hendricks: Like you, my! Some of you may not know my dad.
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:09.000
Bill Hendricks: Uh was he taught? He was a professor at Dts.
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.000
Bill Hendricks: Yellow Seminary for 60 years.
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:16.000
Bill Hendricks: And I don't know anybody who's had the same job for 60 years except him.
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:20.000
Bill Hendricks: But but he was an iconic.
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Bill Hendricks: Communicator and professor, and I mean.
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:26.000
Bill Hendricks: It's almost like if you went to Webster's Dictionary.
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:29.000
Bill Hendricks: And turn to the word teacher.
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.000
Bill Hendricks: Like you'd see my dad's picture there is is like.
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.000
Bill Hendricks: To this day people still remember.
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.000
Bill Hendricks: Him, and they can. They can tell me a story.
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Bill Hendricks: They remember.
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Bill Hendricks: Exactly where they were.
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:46.000
Bill Hendricks: When it happened who they were with.
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Bill Hendricks: And then they quote him verbatim on what he said, and they say, and that changed my life.
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.000
Bill Hendricks: Or that changed my marriage.
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Eric Rice: Hmm.
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:57.000
Bill Hendricks: Or that changed my ministry, or that changed the way I see the world, I mean.
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:03.000
Bill Hendricks: When that happens enough times you're like, Wow! That must be a real gift that he had. And he did.
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:07.000
Bill Hendricks: And so, you know, when you've got a looming person like that.
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Bill Hendricks: Um. It is a challenge uh to kind of grow up under that. If you will.
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Bill Hendricks: I think.
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Bill Hendricks: One thing that really helped in that, though.
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Bill Hendricks: I, I wax eloquent on this issue of giftedness.
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:28.000
Bill Hendricks: Somebody took me through the process to discover my own giftedness. At age 30.
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.000
Bill Hendricks: Which was a game changer for me, because it helped me see.
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.000
Bill Hendricks: Bill, you're not your dad, and that's okay.
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.000
Bill Hendricks: Bill, you're not your dad, and you should be thankful for that.
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:45.000
Bill Hendricks: And it took me another 10 or 15 years. But I realized one day, wow!
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Bill Hendricks: There are things I can do that he can't do.
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:53.000
Bill Hendricks: Like. I have strengths and abilities that he doesn't have.
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:58.000
Bill Hendricks: And I ended up using some of those strengths and abilities to help him.
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:01.000
Bill Hendricks: Um. And so that was very helpful. And then I.
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:06.000
Bill Hendricks: Started my consulting practice, the giftedness center. So I I kind of had my own.
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:12.000
Bill Hendricks: Uh sort of list of successes, as it were, quite apart from anything Dad was doing.
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.000
Bill Hendricks: And we ended up with a great relationship.
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:16.000
Bill Hendricks: Um.
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:22.000
Bill Hendricks: When I went to Dts, though in the summer before I took the job.
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:27.000
Bill Hendricks: I was doing my research and Chuck Swindle, who is one of.
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.000
Bill Hendricks: Dad's proteges, and was the Chancellor.
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.000
Bill Hendricks: Of Dts at the time.
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.000
Bill Hendricks: Yeah, I had lunch with Chuck.
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:36.000
Bill Hendricks: And he said to me, he asked me. He said.
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Bill Hendricks: Bill, do you think if you're.
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Bill Hendricks: If you take this job.
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Bill Hendricks: Do you think you'll be in your dad's shadow?
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:46.000
Bill Hendricks: Was kind of the question you're asking.
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:53.000
Bill Hendricks: And it was one of these things where I didn't really think about the answer. These words just tumbled out of my mouth, and I was like.
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:58.000
Bill Hendricks: Well, Chuck, you know it's only a shadow if you're standing under it.
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:01.000
Bill Hendricks: If you're standing on top of it, it's a platform.
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.000
Bill Hendricks: You know, I was like, Wow.
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.000
Bill Hendricks: Where does that come from? That's pretty good, Bill.
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:12.000
Bill Hendricks: But I actually believe that now I mean I'm I realize, you know, dead if he were here would say.
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.000
Bill Hendricks: Look. I serve God of my generation.
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.000
Bill Hendricks: And help the people that he gave me.
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:24.000
Bill Hendricks: But you've got a whole new set of people to work with whole new set of leaders.
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.000
Bill Hendricks: If there's anything that I did that could be helpful.
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.000
Bill Hendricks: Go with it, use it.
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:33.000
Bill Hendricks: But whatever you do, don't build a monument to me.
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Bill Hendricks: And so at the Hendricks Center at Dts.
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Bill Hendricks: We sort of look at it as.
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.000
Bill Hendricks: He created Hendricks 1.0.
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:45.000
Bill Hendricks: You know, we're creating Hendricks 2.0. And now even 3.0.
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:48.000
Bill Hendricks: So we're we're trying to build on what he gave.
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.000
Bill Hendricks: But then take it to a whole new level.
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:55.000
Bill Hendricks: And and and I think that's really what you know how it's meant to be.
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.000
Bill Hendricks: And so you you come back to the issue of comparison.
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.000
Bill Hendricks: And here's what I've concluded on it, and I got there.
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.000
Bill Hendricks: Through this.
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.000
Bill Hendricks: Process that I do with people at the giftedness center.
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.000
Bill Hendricks: Which, just to put a context to it.
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Bill Hendricks: In the 25 going on 30 years that I've been working with people.
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Bill Hendricks: Around their giftedness. I estimate that I've put in excess of 2,200 people.
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.000
Bill Hendricks: Through the process that we do there.
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.000
Bill Hendricks: This storytelling process.
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:29.000
Bill Hendricks: To discover their giftedness. So I've looked at thousands of people's giftedness.
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:35.000
Bill Hendricks: And from that have concluded that, comparing ourselves to others.
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.000
Bill Hendricks: Is a bit contrarian.
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Bill Hendricks: Rather than being something we should not do. And it's anti-biblical, and it's a sin to do that.
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.000
Bill Hendricks: I'm like, well, actually, it's quite human to do that.
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.000
Bill Hendricks: People quite naturally do that.
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:55.000
Bill Hendricks: And it's almost like God's made them to do that. Now, why would that be.
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.000
Bill Hendricks: Well, I think because.
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.000
Bill Hendricks: We all have aspirations. We all want to.
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.000
Bill Hendricks: To get to the next level in our character.
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.000
Bill Hendricks: In our performance.
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:12.000
Bill Hendricks: Um in whatever skills we have, we wanna kinda know.
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:18.000
Bill Hendricks: Are we any good? Are we not so good like? Where do we stand? Well, the only way, you know that.
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:23.000
Bill Hendricks: Is to look at other people doing similar things and go well.
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:25.000
Bill Hendricks: How do I stack up relative to them.
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Bill Hendricks: And in fact, um. And this relates to the mentoring piece.
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:36.000
Bill Hendricks: There's an element, a factor that we see in people's motivation that looms large.
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.000
Bill Hendricks: For at least 75, if not 80% of people.
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Bill Hendricks: The technical term is what we call modeling individual.
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:47.000
Bill Hendricks: Which in simple terms means a mentor.
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.000
Bill Hendricks: A Guide, a Coach.
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.000
Bill Hendricks: You know, a teacher, a tutor.
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:57.000
Bill Hendricks: A sponsor, somebody, somebody who's doing the thing that we aspire to do.
00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:00.000
Bill Hendricks: And we watch them, and then we begin to emulate them.
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.000
Bill Hendricks: And if we're fortunate enough to have a relationship with them.
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:07.000
Bill Hendricks: They may become that guide or tutor, or coach.
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.000
Bill Hendricks: And they kind of show us the ropes.
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.000
Bill Hendricks: And they let us try our hand.
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Bill Hendricks: And then they give us critique and feedback. And they they basically encourage our efforts. Forward.
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:22.000
Bill Hendricks: But they they model for us what it is that we're trying to do and to become.
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:27.000
Bill Hendricks: And I think this is actually a very human way.
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:29.000
Bill Hendricks: That God has set things up.
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Bill Hendricks: I do know that Jesus said to His disciples.
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:39.000
Bill Hendricks: You know, a disciple is going to become like their teacher.
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Bill Hendricks: So there's an obvious basis of comparison. There.
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.000
Bill Hendricks: Not surprisingly, we find Paul saying.
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Bill Hendricks: To the Corinthians.
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Bill Hendricks: Follow me, imitate me as I imitate Christ.
00:50:55.000 --> 00:51:00.000
Bill Hendricks: And so again, there's a there's a sort of a model that we then follow.
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.000
Bill Hendricks: By definition. There's some comparison that's going to take place there.
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.000
Bill Hendricks: Where it goes south.
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.000
Bill Hendricks: Is when we compare ourselves to others.
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.000
Bill Hendricks: And if we see ourselves not measuring up.
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:17.000
Bill Hendricks: Then we started accusing ourselves.
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:21.000
Bill Hendricks: And saying, We're a terrible person. We're not good enough.
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Bill Hendricks: I don't have what it takes, and down we go, or the other side.
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:28.000
Bill Hendricks: We compare ourselves to others, and go.
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.000
Bill Hendricks: Like the guy in the parable.
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Bill Hendricks: Lord, I thank you that I'm not like this sinner, this poor, miserable wretch.
00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:38.000
Bill Hendricks: You know I've kind of got it together. I'm so thankful that I do.
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.000
Bill Hendricks: And so either one of those is a problem.
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:46.000
Bill Hendricks: But I do think there's a healthy way in which we can compare ourselves to others.
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:49.000
Bill Hendricks: And aspire and and grow from that.
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Bill Hendricks: Man. I want to become like that guy.
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:56.000
Bill Hendricks: I want to learn to treat my wife the way he treats his wife.
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:59.000
Bill Hendricks: I want to be a parent the way he parents his kids.
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.000
Bill Hendricks: I want to have the integrity that he has.
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:06.000
Bill Hendricks: You know I want to be able to know you with the intimacy that he seems to have with you.
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.000
Bill Hendricks: And so we watch them, and then we begin to imitate them.
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Bill Hendricks: And that's very much a part of mentoring a discipleship.
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Eric Rice: Hmm right.
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Eric Rice: Well, thank you very much. Andy's got his hand up, and you want to come off mute and.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Andy.
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Eric Rice: You got another question.
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Andy Young: Yes, I do. Um, and and.
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Andy Young: Thanks again. I'll I'll make it quick, because we've got a few minutes left, and I wanna make sure everybody else has a chance to talk.
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Andy Young: You've kind of alluded to this in the last couple of answers. Um, let's say we, we read the men of influence. We we go to the Hendricks center. We go to the giftedness center.
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:46.000
Andy Young: We become, you know, semi experts in in this methodology of storytelling, and and really finding out how God sees them versus how.
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:51.000
Andy Young: Um, you know they let the devil or the world define them. Um!
00:52:51.000 --> 00:53:00.000
Andy Young: And uh you, you excited mentor, you go to your mentee and you produce some of these things. Maybe you've been meeting with them for a few weeks, and.
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:04.000
Andy Young: And uh, and you give them some of these techniques. And hey, let's explore and let's try them out. And then.
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:10.000
Andy Young: They get really excited about this. They've journaled it. They've identified who they think they are.
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.000
Andy Young: And they go off and running. What are some of the pitfalls.
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:20.000
Andy Young: We should be looking out for, and you kind of hit on a couple of them, you know. Maybe maybe the wrong type of identity or the.
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Andy Young: But from your experience and and uh insight, what are what are some of the pitfalls that we should.
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Andy Young: You know. Well, they're off and running now, now they're gonna hit some bumps on the road, because life has bumps in the road.
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Bill Hendricks: Right.
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Bill Hendricks: Yeah.
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.000
Bill Hendricks: The believe it or not. The the number one problem.
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Bill Hendricks: That I have found people run into.
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:50.000
Bill Hendricks: In the exercise of their giftedness and and being who God made them to be.
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:56.000
Bill Hendricks: Is, they lack confidence in it, and they don't trust it.
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.000
Bill Hendricks: In other words, they and they tend to undervalue it.
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:07.000
Bill Hendricks: Most people don't think too highly of themselves. They actually think too lowly of themselves.
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:12.000
Bill Hendricks: When you show them what their gift is. Let let's take a simple example.
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Bill Hendricks: The you know you find somebody in.
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Bill Hendricks: I mean they have a heart of gold.
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:25.000
Bill Hendricks: They will meet any need that comes along. Their heart is to respond to people in need.
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:28.000
Bill Hendricks: And so they're giving people rods, and they're.
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:33.000
Bill Hendricks: Giving people money, and they stopped to, you know, help the the homeless guy, and.
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:35.000
Bill Hendricks: I mean, just any anywhere. There's a need.
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Bill Hendricks: It's like, Oh.
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Bill Hendricks: I need to do something here, and that's a wonderful gift that God's given them. Okay.
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:50.000
Bill Hendricks: And when you celebrate that with them you go, man, that's fantastic, and they're like, Oh, that's no big deal. Anybody could do that.
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:57.000
Bill Hendricks: And I think the Evil One sort of accuses them and says, Yeah, you don't really have what it takes.
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:02.000
Bill Hendricks: And as a result they take some steps to.
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:04.000
Bill Hendricks: To get that gift in play.
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:11.000
Bill Hendricks: And maybe it doesn't work out so well and immediately go. Well, see, I knew I knew I was a loser. To begin with.
00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:14.000
Bill Hendricks: Now it's just confirmed, and what they most need at that point.
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:19.000
Bill Hendricks: Is somebody to come along and say, Well, no, no, no, man. You.
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.000
Bill Hendricks: You know, stuff happens.
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.000
Bill Hendricks: Let's pick you up. Dust you off. Get you back.
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:29.000
Bill Hendricks: You know, in the game, because what you've got is so valuable we we can't afford to not have it.
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:34.000
Bill Hendricks: Exercised, and so I think encouragement is one of the huge.
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:38.000
Bill Hendricks: Benefits, that if when you're mentoring someone.
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Bill Hendricks: When when they when they stumble, they fail, they.
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Bill Hendricks: Or maybe it maybe their failure isn't even related to their giftedness. Maybe.
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:51.000
Bill Hendricks: You know. Maybe they have that addiction, you know they're into porn, or whatever.
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:54.000
Bill Hendricks: And and so you know, yeah, they make. They make a few.
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:59.000
Bill Hendricks: Starts and helping people based on what they discovered about their giftedness.
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:03.000
Bill Hendricks: But then, the next time they come to see you, they're all defeated and you go. Well, what happened.
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:07.000
Bill Hendricks: Oh, man, I I got back into Porn last night. I'm just.
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:11.000
Bill Hendricks: See I don't. I? I shouldn't be helping people. I'm a hypocrite.
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:15.000
Bill Hendricks: You know, and and and now all that accusation.
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:20.000
Bill Hendricks: And what they most need is a brother to say, listen.
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.000
Bill Hendricks: Let's bring that to the cross.
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:27.000
Bill Hendricks: Let's deal with that. But you still have this gift that God's given you. He's made you.
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Bill Hendricks: The way you are, and he wants you to exercise that, and you're not out of the game.
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:36.000
Bill Hendricks: Because you had a lapse here. Okay, brother.
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:40.000
Bill Hendricks: And you encourage them to get back in the game to keep going.
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Bill Hendricks: The the people in.
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Bill Hendricks: I'm I'm just speaking out of my own experience.
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Bill Hendricks: Which is a believer now is is 65.
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:53.000
Bill Hendricks: 67 66 years.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, in the faith.
00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:57.000
Bill Hendricks: Um, the.
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Bill Hendricks: The only people that really don't.
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:03.000
Bill Hendricks: Make it. Are the people that sort of quit along the way.
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:06.000
Bill Hendricks: I mean, God has amazing grace for people.
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:12.000
Bill Hendricks: And the people that keep persevering and enduring.
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:14.000
Bill Hendricks: And they they keep.
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:18.000
Bill Hendricks: Staying in the game, and they keep coming back to God.
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:21.000
Bill Hendricks: Failure after failure, sin after sin.
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:24.000
Bill Hendricks: God responds to that.
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.000
Bill Hendricks: And I mean I'm talking out of Romans 7 now.
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Bill Hendricks: That they learn that that your strength is in the grace of Jesus Christ.
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:35.000
Bill Hendricks: Be strong in the grace that is in Jesus Christ.
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:38.000
Bill Hendricks: And so the discouragement that people face.
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.000
Bill Hendricks: Um. They really need a brother to encourage them to.
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:47.000
Bill Hendricks: To not let that defeat them, because, believe me, the Evil One does not want them.
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:50.000
Bill Hendricks: To exercise that which God has given them.
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Eric Rice: Thanks. Bill. Um.
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Eric Rice: Uh, you've been kind of talking a little bit about um.
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Eric Rice: The qualities of mentor. I don't know if there's anything else that you wanted to add.
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Eric Rice: Um uh.
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:12.000
Eric Rice: And highlight, of what makes.
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:17.000
Eric Rice: Uh a good mentor um, and kind of coupled with that.
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Eric Rice: What would you say to a man who has a mentor and is considering being a mentor.
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Eric Rice: But may not think they're ready.
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Eric Rice: Um any words that along those lines that you'd have to offer.
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Bill Hendricks: Yeah, I mean, um.
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Bill Hendricks: You know I, when I think about well, what.
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Bill Hendricks: Kind of makes a good mentor.
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Bill Hendricks: I mean.
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Bill Hendricks: I I think number one.
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Bill Hendricks: It's a person who cares.
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Bill Hendricks: Is is be how I'd put it.
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Bill Hendricks: Um.
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Bill Hendricks: I mean, if you don't care about.
00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:56.000
Bill Hendricks: Other people, and particularly care.
00:58:56.000 --> 00:59:00.000
Bill Hendricks: About the growth and development of somebody.
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Bill Hendricks: I just don't know how you.
00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:05.000
Bill Hendricks: Can be that helpful to somebody.
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:11.000
Bill Hendricks: You. You might do it at a distance, but you'll never really be useful in a relationship.
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:14.000
Bill Hendricks: Cause nobody's gonna.
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:16.000
Bill Hendricks: Benefit from a relationship in which the.
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.000
Bill Hendricks: The person that they're trying to learn from.
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:22.000
Bill Hendricks: Gives evidence. They don't really care one way or the other.
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Bill Hendricks: They just happen to be a great person.
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:28.000
Bill Hendricks: And if you learn something that's that's fine, but if not, they don't care.
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.000
Bill Hendricks: But somebody who's like.
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Bill Hendricks: Hey! Listen! I want to see you grow and develop.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, you have potential.
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Bill Hendricks: I have an affection for you. I want to see you succeed in life.
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Bill Hendricks: I mean that that's worth gold. And so the caring and particularly caring about the.
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Bill Hendricks: You know the growth and development.
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Bill Hendricks: And I guess you know, with that there's there's some uh.
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:56.000
Bill Hendricks: I guess emotional intelligence that helps.
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Bill Hendricks: Um, but I I guess I would put with that.
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Bill Hendricks: Is the a good mentor is somebody who's frankly more concerned.
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:09.000
Bill Hendricks: With the.
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Bill Hendricks: Growth and development, and ultimately the success, if you will.
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Bill Hendricks: Of the person they're trying to work with.
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Bill Hendricks: Than their own growth, development, and success.
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.000
Bill Hendricks: There's a there's a generosity factor there.
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Bill Hendricks: And generosity is just, so powerful.
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Bill Hendricks: It's a form of grace extended into somebody's life.
01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:38.000
Bill Hendricks: And of course Grace is really the the lifeblood, the the oxygen, if you will.
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Bill Hendricks: Of of spiritual growth.
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:47.000
Bill Hendricks: And so if I know that somebody believes in me, and they're doing everything they can to help me.
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Bill Hendricks: It's very hard to disappoint them.
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Bill Hendricks: I I'm gonna tend to.
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Bill Hendricks: To really be inspired.
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:58.000
Bill Hendricks: To.
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:04.000
Bill Hendricks: Live up and live up to and live out what they're giving me, and take hold of it and make good use of it.
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Bill Hendricks: Um.
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Bill Hendricks: Was the second part of your question. Um.
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Bill Hendricks: About whether you think you're ready for to be a mentor. I'm sorry I forgot the second part.
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Eric Rice: Yeah, and and um, if someone is considering being a mentor. But.
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Eric Rice: Doesn't think they're ready.
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Eric Rice: What kind of uh either process would you encourage them to go through.
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Eric Rice: And you know um.
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Eric Rice: Uh, yeah. How would you? How would you encourage them?
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Eric Rice: To kind of move in that direction.
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Eric Rice: You know, just with respect to the.
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Eric Rice: You know. Um, the reproduction of the process and the the cycle. There.
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Bill Hendricks: Well, I mean, it's been my experience.
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Bill Hendricks: That the vast majority of men who are ready to mentor other men.
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Bill Hendricks: Think they're not ready.
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Bill Hendricks: They think. Oh, I don't have much to offer. I'm not far enough along.
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Bill Hendricks: And all I would say is, um.
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Bill Hendricks: In all likelihood.
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Bill Hendricks: You are further along.
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Bill Hendricks: And more capable and ready to be useful to somebody.
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Bill Hendricks: Than you realize.
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Bill Hendricks: Um. I think I think on our culture, we sort of build up this idea of a mentor.
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Bill Hendricks: As this. You know, Jedi, figure this.
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Bill Hendricks: You know Yoda Obi-WAN Kenobi, you know they kind of got life figured out.
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Bill Hendricks: And we think, well, man, that's not me.
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Bill Hendricks: But one thing that's encouraged me is Jesus statement to His disciples.
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Bill Hendricks: One time where he says, now listen.
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Bill Hendricks: Just remember you've got one teacher.
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Bill Hendricks: And by implication. It's me.
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Bill Hendricks: You've got one teacher, Jesus.
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Bill Hendricks: And you are all brothers.
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Bill Hendricks: And so when I think about mentoring.
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Bill Hendricks: You know I made 70.
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Bill Hendricks: I don't have a life all figured out. I got plenty of issues.
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Bill Hendricks: Still.
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Bill Hendricks: But I'm just a little further down the trail.
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Bill Hendricks: From a whole bunch of other guys.
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Bill Hendricks: Right, which means.
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Bill Hendricks: I've run into some of the pitfalls I've.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, encountered some of the.
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Bill Hendricks: Temptations and the challenges and.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, and and had some of the brokenness.
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Bill Hendricks: That maybe they haven't come across yet, or they're just now coming across.
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Bill Hendricks: Well, man, if I'm on a journey to to be able to talk to somebody.
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Bill Hendricks: Who's been a few steps down the trail.
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Bill Hendricks: And knows what some of those pitfalls are.
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Bill Hendricks: And has recovered from some of the brokenness.
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Bill Hendricks: And and and just can tell me their story.
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Bill Hendricks: And well, here's what here's how God showed up for me.
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Bill Hendricks: It's just enormously helpful.
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Bill Hendricks: It's not necessarily formal.
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Bill Hendricks: But it's that life on life thing which is which is really.
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Bill Hendricks: If you want to know at the heart of the whole process.
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Bill Hendricks: I want to know that some other human being.
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Bill Hendricks: Has experienced something of what I'm experiencing.
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Bill Hendricks: And made it, and it's still standing.
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Bill Hendricks: That gives me hope that maybe I can make it too.
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Bill Hendricks: And if they can, on top of that.
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Bill Hendricks: Maybe give me a couple pointers of.
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Bill Hendricks: Whatever you do, don't do this.
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Bill Hendricks: Or whatever you do, do this.
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Bill Hendricks: Okay. Now, I got something to work with.
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Bill Hendricks: And I've also got a brother who.
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Bill Hendricks: Seems to evidence that they care about me.
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Bill Hendricks: And so they're not just gonna drop their load and leave. It's like they're gonna check in with me later. And like, well, how's it going.
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Bill Hendricks: They're walking with me as I walk.
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Bill Hendricks: And I believe that's what mentoring looks like. I think, in the book I talk about the illustration of.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, mentoring is is like guys on a.
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Bill Hendricks: They're they're scaling a mountain. And they got the ropes.
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Bill Hendricks: They're all tied to each other.
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Bill Hendricks: So when a guy slips he's got 4 or 5 guys above.
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Bill Hendricks: Belay him, and he didn't fall.
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Bill Hendricks: But if a guy's trying to go up that mountain by himself, and he slips and he falls.
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Bill Hendricks: I mean he can fall thousands of feet to his death.
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Bill Hendricks: And nobody even hears his cry.
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Bill Hendricks: And we got too many men in that boat.
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Bill Hendricks: So I just want to encourage you. If you think well, I'm not really ready.
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Bill Hendricks: I would emphasize the issue of brokenness. I'm a huge believer in the value of brokenness. Brokenness means.
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Bill Hendricks: I'm either flat on my back or I'm flat on my face.
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Bill Hendricks: But the point is.
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Bill Hendricks: I'm spent, I'm done, and the Lust Guide shows up.
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Bill Hendricks: It's over, and if you've ever been there in your life.
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Bill Hendricks: You know what I'm talking about.
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Bill Hendricks: And if you've been through brokenness, that's an ideal position from which.
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Bill Hendricks: To stand up and say.
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Bill Hendricks: Hey? I see you're trying to walk with Jesus.
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Bill Hendricks: And just get through life.
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Bill Hendricks: And I just I I believe in you.
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Bill Hendricks: Let's have a cup of coffee.
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Bill Hendricks: Tell me your story, and they'll tell you what they'll end up telling you kind of where they're stuck or where their needs are.
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Bill Hendricks: You may not have all the answers, but at least they know they've got a brother with them in that journey.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Travis had a question for you, Bill.
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Travis Pospisil: Oh, coming off first, st I just want to say thank you to Aaron Zimmerman, my friend. He uh sent out the link to me. I go to Mariners church, another.
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Travis Pospisil: Church in the area. Second off, I can attest to your story of your father. My father is a Dts grad from.
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Travis Pospisil: 84, and speaks very, very highly of your father, and I've uh heard your family name for a long time. Scott Pospisil was my father. He graduated 84 uh, I believe, and has been in ministry for 40 years. Um.
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Bill Hendricks: Wow!
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Travis Pospisil: But kind of going off this previous question. You kind of talked about 2.0 and 3.0 how you've made.
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Travis Pospisil: Adjustments and changes, and as new generations of men come.
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Travis Pospisil: Are coming up, such as myself and some of my peers. What have you seen as the biggest.
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Travis Pospisil: Shifts in effectiveness. You need to make to have effective mentorship and discipleship.
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Travis Pospisil: As new generations are coming, or have you seen it as kind of? It's a timeless.
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Travis Pospisil: Formula that, regardless if it was in 1990 versus 20.
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Travis Pospisil: 25. It's always been the same effective formula that works regardless of time.
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Bill Hendricks: Well, I think mentoring is is.
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Bill Hendricks: It's kind of like the church. There's some Givens and some permanent things.
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Bill Hendricks: But then some forms that continuously change.
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Bill Hendricks: With changes in the culture.
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Bill Hendricks: So I I do think that life on life thing, however, it's mediated.
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Bill Hendricks: Is, always is, always a key.
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Bill Hendricks: Is is that my.
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Bill Hendricks: Soul, as it were, touches another man's soul.
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Bill Hendricks: I know it. He knows it.
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Bill Hendricks: He knows I'm with him.
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Bill Hendricks: And for him.
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Bill Hendricks: And he could feel it in in his, in his soul, in his bones, as it were.
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Bill Hendricks: I think that's a that's a universal, permanent.
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Bill Hendricks: Part of the equation.
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Bill Hendricks: But how that manifests itself, you know, obviously changes.
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Bill Hendricks: I mean so like in my generation.
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Bill Hendricks: You know we we.
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Bill Hendricks: Did it through lots of you know. Lunches and coffees and.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, getting together physically.
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Bill Hendricks: Which I still think has a lot of benefit.
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Bill Hendricks: But I realize in this day and age.
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Bill Hendricks: At the pace at which people live, and with the technologies that we have.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, that may happen online. It may happen through text.
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Bill Hendricks: It may happen, not through coffees. It may happen through a series of text messages through the day.
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Bill Hendricks: Or or um.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, emails that come back and forth. I mean.
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Bill Hendricks: Um, I'm I'm I'm realizing that younger generations seem to communicate much differently than my generation.
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Bill Hendricks: And I'm like, Okay, you know.
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Bill Hendricks: As much as I believe in embodied experiences.
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Bill Hendricks: Where we're physically together in the same space.
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Bill Hendricks: And I still think that needs to happen.
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Bill Hendricks: But I I can. I can at least.
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Bill Hendricks: Concede that you know.
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Bill Hendricks: There's a whole possibility that.
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Bill Hendricks: People that are in different cities.
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Bill Hendricks: But they have something in common that that's binding them together.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, they they can still have a very impactful relationship together.
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Bill Hendricks: So I mean, that'd be one example that I could. I could give you Travis.
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Bill Hendricks: Um.
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Travis Pospisil: Yeah, thank you. Appreciate that.
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Bill Hendricks: And I, and I confess that you know.
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Bill Hendricks: As you asked that question, I I quickly realized.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, but you probably don't know nearly as much about younger generations as you need to know.
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Bill Hendricks: So I mean.
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Bill Hendricks: Don't get me started on AI um.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, and and and how that could affect things so.
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Bill Hendricks: That that's a whole nother. Conversation.
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Eric Rice: Hmm.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Bill. I want to follow up on a statement you said about 5.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Percent of the churches are doing what we're doing.
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Bill Hendricks: Yeah.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Um of those that you've had experience and exposure with.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Is there a lesson, learned?
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: That they went through that kind of galvanized them, or the iron sharpen iron.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: That we could benefit from knowing.
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Bill Hendricks: Well, yeah.
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Bill Hendricks: Um. I think a lot of churches have been through.
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Bill Hendricks: What the churches that learned the lesson from went through, and then.
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Bill Hendricks: Started getting into mentoring. Not all of those churches.
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Bill Hendricks: Learn from that.
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Bill Hendricks: Thing. And what am I talking about?
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Bill Hendricks: Um! There was a very landmark study that was done at Willow Creek Church.
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Bill Hendricks: Um. You know the the super Mega church there in the Chicago area.
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Bill Hendricks: Back in. I guess it was 2,003.
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Bill Hendricks: They did what was called the reveal study.
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Bill Hendricks: And they wanted to to statistically analyze the experience of the people.
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Bill Hendricks: In the church, and what they discovered is that the people who'd been in the church the longest.
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Bill Hendricks: We're the most dissatisfied.
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Bill Hendricks: With their experience of Church.
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Bill Hendricks: And that really rocked them.
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Bill Hendricks: And what they found was that they were doing a great job of people that were coming in the front door.
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Bill Hendricks: But the people that had hung around for 10 or 12 or 15 years.
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Bill Hendricks: Like their needs, were kind of getting overlooked, and the number one need.
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Bill Hendricks: That they complained about was.
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Bill Hendricks: What we would call discipleship and spiritual formation.
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Bill Hendricks: Like they weren't getting taught how to follow Jesus.
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Bill Hendricks: And of course, that then gets into discipleship and mentoring.
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Bill Hendricks: And I find that the churches that take mentoring seriously.
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Bill Hendricks: In some way, shape or form have recognized.
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Bill Hendricks: If we don't. It's wonderful to bring people in the front door. It's wonderful to baptize baptize people.
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Bill Hendricks: Through conversion baptisms.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, it's wonderful to bring up youth through the youth programs.
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Bill Hendricks: But if we are not intentionally.
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Bill Hendricks: Hoping people learn to follow Jesus.
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Bill Hendricks: Which is very much an apprentice system. Discipleship by its nature.
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Bill Hendricks: Is, is an apprentice sort of.
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Bill Hendricks: Activity. We're not doing that.
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Bill Hendricks: What are we really accomplishing? We're creating converts, but we're not creating disciples.
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Bill Hendricks: We're not creating fully devoted followers of Jesus.
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Bill Hendricks: And so there's kind of a movement afoot in the last 5 years of Oh, my gosh!
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Bill Hendricks: Here in the North American Church. We don't have a we haven't done enough about discipling.
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Bill Hendricks: And sadly what I think you're seeing.
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Bill Hendricks: Is a rush toward well, then, we need discipleship programs.
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Bill Hendricks: And go back to where we started.
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Bill Hendricks: Dude. You can put a program together in your church and check the box and say, we're now doing discipling.
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Bill Hendricks: The question is, are you actually.
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Bill Hendricks: Changing the lives, transforming the lives.
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Bill Hendricks: The the lived experience of people.
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Bill Hendricks: So that they are becoming more Christ-like.
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Bill Hendricks: That's really what discipleship is. Am I looking more and more, and acting more and more and more like Jesus?
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Bill Hendricks: Than I was, and it's a matter of obedience and and how they actually live their lives. It's.
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Bill Hendricks: Habits that they live by.
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Bill Hendricks: And and those seem to work out the best.
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Bill Hendricks: When you've got life on life uh.
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Bill Hendricks: Relationships where older believers who are living more like Christ.
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Bill Hendricks: Are rubbing off on the younger people.
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Bill Hendricks: And the up and coming people, and they're starting to.
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Bill Hendricks: Live like Christ.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: I mean, the church seems so focused on trailing metrics.
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Bill Hendricks: Yes.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Don't focus on leading metrics. So what would the leading metrics in this example you're given? Be.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Just.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: The one on one relationships.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Those kind of things, or.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, with.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: To where, you know you're kind of in the right.
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Bill Hendricks: Well, we're honestly there. I mean, there are people that are studying and trying to figure out what are the metrics.
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Yeah, it seems in the right direction. Kind of thing.
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Bill Hendricks: I mean, I can go back to the very earliest church the 1st 400 years.
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Bill Hendricks: And the way they would measure it.
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Bill Hendricks: Was not through doctrinal knowledge.
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Bill Hendricks: It was through looking at.
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Bill Hendricks: Mean, if if you wanted to become a Christian, you would find a sponsor within a church.
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Bill Hendricks: And for 3 or 4 years you would go through what's called catechesis.
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Bill Hendricks: Which basically was a discipleship program.
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Bill Hendricks: Not based on doctrine, but based on behavior.
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Bill Hendricks: And they would watch, and they would see, as the Holy Spirit seemed to be working in this person's life.
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Dave Landis: In the main one.
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Bill Hendricks: And they would. They would look at over time.
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Bill Hendricks: Is. Has this person stopped beating his wife the way he he used to.
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Bill Hendricks: Is this person stop getting drunk every.
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Bill Hendricks: You know, other night, the way he used to.
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Bill Hendricks: Um. Is this person beginning to show some compassion toward the poor.
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Bill Hendricks: That he never had before. Is this person in his business?
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Bill Hendricks: Treating his customers fairly, and not cheating them and defrauding them.
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Bill Hendricks: I mean, they would want to see active changes.
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Bill Hendricks: From from whatever baseline the person brought in.
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Bill Hendricks: Not just okay. I prayed this prayer. Now I'm gonna live pretty much the way I lived before.
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Bill Hendricks: But I've got my eternity insurance.
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Bill Hendricks: And and I'm in.
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Bill Hendricks: Mean. I know I'm being harsh here, but I'm I'm saying.
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Bill Hendricks: They would look at specific behaviors in a person's life.
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Bill Hendricks: To see if evidence was there.
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Bill Hendricks: That they were moving more toward Christ. Likeness.
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Bill Hendricks: Not in a legalistic way.
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Bill Hendricks: But in a in a.
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Bill Hendricks: Organic way that I no longer want to get drunk every other night. I no longer want to be my wife. I want to love her.
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Bill Hendricks: Um! I no longer want to defraud my people. There are my customers.
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Bill Hendricks: I want to do right by them. In fact, I wanna.
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Bill Hendricks: I want to make Ephesians 4. Says.
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Bill Hendricks: I used to steal from them.
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Bill Hendricks: Now I want to make a honest living, and, in fact, I want to have stuff left over that I could become a philanthropist and give money away.
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Bill Hendricks: So there's a complete 1. 80 that takes place.
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Eric Rice: Well, I think we've used up our time, and uh uh, we certainly.
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Bill Hendricks: I know. I think I talked too much.
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Eric Rice: Well, we appreciate your words of wisdom.
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Eric Rice: Um, so thank you very much, Bill. Thank you.
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Eric Rice: Randy for coordinating, and again, if anybody is.
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Eric Rice: Um, who's participating and listening is not familiar with the.
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Eric Rice: Uh Mentor Ministry that we have at Bay Area and is interested in.
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Eric Rice: Uh more information. There, please go to our.
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Eric Rice: website@bayareacc.org and.
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Eric Rice: Uh check it out and.
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Eric Rice: Um in the men's ministry. There's a mentoring section and um.
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Eric Rice: So I.
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Bill Hendricks: Eric, let me let me just mention I have put my email.
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Bill Hendricks: At the Givenness center into the chat box.
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Bill Hendricks: Some of you may have had questions that we didn't get time to to get to.
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Bill Hendricks: If you want to send those to me, I'm more than happy to do what I can to respond to them.
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Bill Hendricks: Um i i.
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Bill Hendricks: I think Randy can.
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Bill Hendricks: Can attest to this. I could not be more excited about your meeting like this.
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Bill Hendricks: On a regular basis. What you guys are doing.
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Bill Hendricks: Is absolutely fantastic.
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Bill Hendricks: It's exactly what needs to happen in the body of Christ.
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Bill Hendricks: And thank you for doing what you're doing and what you're learning in this process, because you're learning.
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Bill Hendricks: On behalf of the worldwide body of Christ.
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Bill Hendricks: As I said, most churches aren't doing this. So what you're learning.
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Bill Hendricks: Will have benefit to countless other.
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Bill Hendricks: Groups of of Christians and men.
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Bill Hendricks: Who are Christians? Um.
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Bill Hendricks: Far beyond whatever your benefit here is.
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Eric Rice: Okay, well, thank you very much. Thank you for.
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Eric Rice: Your encouraging words and wisdom, and.
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Eric Rice: Unless there's any other final thoughts, comments.
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Eric Rice: Andy, it looks like your hand is up, or is that just clapping hands.
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Andy Young: Just clapping. I appreciate it. It was awesome.
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Bill Hendricks: Thank you.
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Eric Rice: Okay, well, thank you very much.
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Eric Rice: Uh, thank you. Everyone and um.
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Eric Rice: I think we're ready to sign off um.
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Eric Rice: And pray that everybody.
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Eric Rice: And it's a good evening.
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iPhone (126): Yeah, thank, you.
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Bill Hendricks: Thanks, guys, God bless you!
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Randy / Kelly - Stiles Ministries: Thanks. Bill.
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Aaron: Gentlemen!
